Counting the cost

November,  2015

In case you have not been following along I just finished building a new kayak and I kept close track of the costs and the labor to build it. My wife finally tried  kayaking and discovered just how much fun it can be. Problem was, none of the boats in my stable really suited her, so I needed to build her one..

Short Shot has always been an under appreciate design.  At sixteen and half feet and with better resistance numbers than most of my designs I had expected great things from this design but sales were always slow at best. I felt the styling was part of the problem and I have long thought about redesigning it to look more traditional and this was the motivation I needed.

ss-24As I built Short Shot, I kept close tabs on the time and cost of this boat. I had a lot of scrap plywood and other odds in ends in the shop from other projects I had saved, so my cost to build wouldn’t reflect your cost. Instead of keeping tack of what I spent, I kept track of all the materials and prices for these items. The following is a list of what it took to build this boat.

16.5′ Short Shot kayak Fully
loaded
Minimally equipped
Materials Cost Cost
Plans $      69.00 $           69.00
Plywood for frames $      50.00 $           50.00
Western red cedar for stringers  $     25.00 $           25.00
Sinew-2 rolls $      19.00 $           19.00
Paint 2 quarts and 1 pint, Rustolem $      27.91 $          23.00
2 quarts
2 can spray poly $      21.90
Sewing thread $        9.00
18 feet of 11.7 oz fabric $     126.00 $          81.00
8 oz fabric
Seat $       86.00
Paint supplies $       21.00 $           21.00
Brass 5 feet $       30.00
Bungee 17 feet $         5.95 $             5.95
Backband $       28.00 $           28.00
Black rope $         6.40
Stainless screws for coaming (box-50) $         8.25 $             8.25
TOTAL $     533.41 $         330.20

In the first column is what I used to build the boat. It included a Redfish seat, brass strips on both ends, the 11.7 oz skin and deck rigging. We stained the frame to enhance the look and then we coated it with gloss poly. She wanted a two tone paint job with a black stripe, so that took 3 cans of paint. All this came to just under $550. When you consider this is a 34-35 lb kayak that is not a lot of money! You can’t buy a used composite boat of similar weight  for that.

A lot of people are attracted to these boats because of the low cost.  I wanted to see what the low end would be so I created a column with just the minimum parts. No stain or poly on the frame, no Redfish seat, using sinew instead of sewing thread, etc. By cutting out the extras you could build this boat for $330. With a little care I think you could come in  under $300.

You will pay almost that much for those 10′ or 11′ kayak all the big box stores sell. The difference is any of  my designs will be far easier to paddle and much faster! Yes there is a big difference and it is not the weight of the boat. I don’t design short boats because short boats are barges. There is no way around that either, but that is another story for another day.

And these are not a boat with a 2-3 year life. As long as you take reasonable care and don’t store in the sun or where it will stay wet and rot, your can probably pass it on to you kids or grand kids.

I also kept track of the labor to build Short Shot.  I feel it only fair to point out that I have built a few boats ,so I have the process down and don’t have to spend time thinking about what or how to do something. I have done it enough that it is just instinct, so I am going to be able to build one faster than most people, especially if it is your first time. But the learning curve is short and most people will be able to get reasonable close to these numbers.

Task Task Hours Total Hours
Cutting frames 8:00 8:00
Setting up strongback/cutting – scarfing – gluing stringers 2:43 10:43
Lashing 1:21 12:04
lashing 3:44 15:48
lashing 1:17 17:05
lashing 4:52 21:57
lashing-FINISHED 4:52 26:49
Staining frame 2:23 29:12
Spraying poly on frame-paint coaming 1:00 30:12
Skinning 2:00 32:12
Skinning 1:36 33:48
Skinning 4:20 38:08
Installing coming 0:54 39:02
Painting 1:15 40:17
Painting 1:30 41:47
Painting 1:12 42:59
rigging 3:18 46:17

As you can see I spent just under 46 and 1/2 hours, start to finish on this boat.  In my classes we build a single chine boat, VARDO or Ravenswood in roughly 45 hours and these are typically people who have never built a boat or much else in their life. Short Shot is a multi-chine boat and that takes a little longer to lash all those stringers. I have people tell me quite regular that spend about 60 hours on their boat and this seems like a reasonable number to me.

As I said earlier, I don’t do short boats because they are not good designs. White water boats get away with the short lengths because of the ways they are used. They are pushed along with the current and not paddled long distances on flat water, so the high resistance is not an a problem. But if you are looking for sea kayak to paddle on open flat water you need a little waterline length.

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Building Short Shot – part 8- launching

She is finally done and Launch day finally arrived. I hated that it took at least 3 weeks longer than it should have to get it finished, But a nasty sinus infection that took two rounds on antibiotics kept me out of the shop. This is my wife’s new boat and I was trying hard to get it done in time for her to take it for a paddle. But the weather turned cold and so did the water. She is not ready (or willing) to paddle in the cold so unfortunately she will not get to paddle it till next year.

Since the last update I have installed the bronze rub strips, deck bungee and perimeter lines. All of these are pretty basic items but very essential! The color combination was my wife’s and I think it came out really nice.

We took it to the ramp near our house to get some and make a brief paddle. First thing I noticed was the volume. Compared to Shad and Sling Shot, which I paddle most of the time, it seemed quite large. It is not really, it is just those are small boats compared to this one. After adjusting to its size it was actually quite comfortable. Back band feel at a perfect height, new coaming design was very comfortable and despite higher volume, I didn’t bang the paddle as I expected.

Second thing I notice was how quick it turned at low speeds. This is the difference in hard chines and the multi-chines shape. This hull has no abrupt corner and water seems to slide under the hull much easier. The difference was very noticeable! Leaning the boat to turn it felt much different than the hard chine boats. It’s hard to explain but it felt safer and like I could lean a lot more before it would capsize. But I didn’t test that, even in my drysuit I really didn’t want to swim.

I only paddled it around for maybe an hour but I liked it. Past that I will hold off on any judgments till I spend more time in it. We will see if it has any bad habits that hasn’t let me see yet.

ss-25 ss-24 ss-27 ss-26Now for some totals. Labor ended up at  46 hours 17 minutes, Of course I have built a lot of these so you should expect to spend a bit more than that.

Materials were $526.16 Keep in mind This is for a well equipped boat. Not cutting any corners on this boat or wasting any money on unneeded items either.

I am going to do another blog and break down the costs and talk about some of my choices for this boat. Mean time I can tell you I did some quick figuring and by skipping some of the items like the Redfish Seat, brass rub strips, etc. you could cut the cost down to under $350.

 

 

 

Building Short Shot – part 7

We are in the final stages of this build! The client (my wife) wanted a two-tone paint job which is no big deal, done several of those. But then she told me she wanted a third color, a black stripe between the yellow and white. This could get interesting!

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I was concerned about laying out the stripe and keeping it even. I debated over ways to do this and finally decided that I would try just doing it by eye. I have always had a good ‘eye’ for proportions and styling. Worst case was I pulled off the tape and tried something else.

I taped it off and stood back to check my work and was really impressed. There was one section right at the coaming that was slightly off but overall it looked great and that one section was an easy fix.

With the painting now done all that is left is deck rigging and adding the brass rub strips.

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At the moment I have 42 hours and 59 minutes…. lets just call it 43 hours labor. The cost stands at 480 dollars. I still need the brass rub strips and the deck rigging. So it looks like I will be under 50 hours and  just a little over $500 in this one. I just put it on the scales and it weighs 33 lbs. You can’t buy a 33 lb, 17′ kayak for $500!

If you remember I predicted this one would weight 33 lbs when it was finished. Looks like I will miss that, I am going to add about another pound with all the rigging but that is still pretty close to what I was hoping for.

 

Building Short Shot – part 6

As you can see, it is skinned and ready for paint in 39 hours and 48 minutes. 🙂  I am telling you, these are quick and easy to build.

ss-22I decided early on that I wanted to try putting the screws into the coaming from the underside instead of the top. I have always found the screws in the top ugly but it is a lot of work to build a laminated, sewn in coaming.  I knew putting the screws in from the bottom wouldn’t be easy and I was right!  After a little struggling I found the trick!

ss-21Operating a screw driver inside the boat and upside down was very awkward. I had to use a stubby screw driver at the stern and that was even more awkward! After trying a couple of different ways I tried using a ratchet with a screw driver bit. BINGO! I was really surprised at just how well this worked. It made installing the screws so much easier!

Here is a tip if you. Remember to drill a hold large enough for the screw to slip through in the bottom ring!  Without that clearance, the screw is feeding through both pieces and can’t pull the two together. I knew this but apparently I never went back and redrilled the holes so I had to clamp them together before tightening the screws.

ss-23I wanted to check the fit of the sear. I am a huge fan of these mini-cell foam tractor seats. After trying other seats I have found this by far the most comfortable. I buy mine from Redfish kayak and it is a bit pricey but it well worth it to me.  I send them a template of the boat shape and he cuts it to fit the contour of the boat.

A quick breakdown of the time.

  • 8 hours cutting the frames.
  • 2:45 hours cutting stringers and setting up the strong back.
  • 15:14 hours lashing.
  • 3:23 hours staining and applying poly on the frame
  • 10:28 hours sewing the skin, installing the coaming now ready for paint.